Two Pair Flop --- Limit .50/$1

[StarlightCoast]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (5 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero ???


Do you call or cap this flop. SB is a real loose passive fish preflop who never pops it preflop but is aggro postflop. Is QJ is a definite consideration or a flopped set or am I seeing monsters under the bed?

More of this hand coming soon.

[PokerRef]

I think you already know what I would do. Too many posibilities to come, that could cause problems, so don't over do the betting just yet.

[Kat]

When the SB 3-bets I think the first thing you do is regret playing Q7s. Can't cap here. If you were HU I can see the SB trying a move with a draw but his line looks more like a made hand protecting against all the possible draws. With UTG and UTG+1 calling 2 more as well my guess is you're behind here and if you're not you may have to fade half the deck. Call and hope for a 7.

[StarlightCoast]

Ok, so Ref and Kat say call. That's exactly what i did. :0 Hmmm, turn is a 4. A blank, but I go with the call. River is the real issue. Play it safe or..............



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Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (5 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls

Turn: (8.5 BB) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls

River: (12.5 BB) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, [color=#CC3333]Hero ???


Damn is villain on QJ??? Is my boat beat by a larger boat? can I justify a simple call with a full house?

[Kat]

Eek yeah that's why I said hope for a 7, not a Q. I think we can rule out SB is bluffing a busted draw cos even a donkey isn't gonna try that 3-way in a massive pot. Plus his line is too fast for anything other than KT hearts if he was drawing I think. Your problem is he knows (almost pure) if he has you beat but you don't know if you have him beat. So if you raise with the winner here (can she possibly have AQ? 77 is consistent I guess) she will call and lose one extra bet, but if she does have the QJ and you raise you're gonna get reraised so it's costing you 2 bets. I'd like to apologize to the English Language for that last sentence, but, when I'm in that kind of spot I'll probably just call even tho it does feel kinda weak.

[PokerRef]

I have to agree with Kat here, even though I would be fairly certain I have the winning hand . Your just concerned with the SB here and he probaby has trips, or the UTG+1 might have the nuts and is hoping for a raise from you and then the SB, so the safe play is the best one IMO.

[StarlightCoast]

There an old adage in poker that says something along the lines that if you get beat holding a set and you don't lose a good amount of money in the hand, you played it wrong. I've got a boat, I'm jammin!!!



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Preflop: Hero is Button with Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks

Flop: (5 SB) 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (5 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls

Turn: (8.5 BB) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls

River: (12.5 BB) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps, SB calls

Total pot: $21.50 (21.5 BB) | Rake: $0.50

Results:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (full house, Queens over sevens).
SB mucked 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (three of a kind, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $21


Ahhhh yeah, i so wrote a note on this player when the hand was over. A long note on THIS player.

[Kat]

Maybe I'll take up LHE again.

The adage is if you flop a set and get beat and didn't lose a lot you played it wrong. Had he had QJ here you would've already lost plenty without the additional river raise.