Correctly Played???

[Holdem Freak]

1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button

Seat 1: chrisdaman77 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: hegonycz (1580 in chips)
Seat 3: maggies08 (1460 in chips)
Seat 4: dredger99 (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: patatzak (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: Matifu77 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: greenfalcon8 (1460 in chips)
Seat 8: Honey1302 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: JUSTAGIRL123 (1500 in chips)
maggies08: posts small blind 10
dredger99: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chrisdaman77 [Qc Kc]
patatzak: folds
Matifu77: folds
greenfalcon8: calls 20
Honey1302: folds
JUSTAGIRL123: calls 20
chrisdaman77: calls 20
hegonycz: folds
maggies08: calls 10
dredger99: checks
*** FLOP *** [6s Jd Th]
maggies08: folds
dredger99: checks
greenfalcon8: folds
JUSTAGIRL123: bets 80
chrisdaman77: calls 80
dredger99: folds
*** TURN *** [6s Jd Th] [Ts]
JUSTAGIRL123: checks
chrisdaman77: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s Jd Th Ts] [9d]
JUSTAGIRL123: bets 500
chrisdaman77: raises 500 to 1000
JUSTAGIRL123: raises 400 to 1400 and is all-in
chrisdaman77: calls 400 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3060 | Rake 0
Board [6s Jd Th Ts 9d]

Seat 2: hegonycz (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: maggies08 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: dredger99 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: patatzak folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Matifu77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: greenfalcon8 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Honey1302 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


I will tell you what she had once I hear some comments.

[phishfinder2]

I think there is two schools of thought on this...... JUSTAGIRL'S 80 bet could be a feeler if she's holding second pair...... or a trapping bet if she's got two pair J 10........ checking the turn is a trap IMO if she had second pair she now has a set if she had two pair she now got a boat. why bet 500 on the river ? the 9 on the river could make someone a straight ( like you ) so a 500 bet will probably be called if not raised if you put her on a set Being early in the game ( i assume ) calling 20 to see the flop is not unreasonable holding J 10os, Q 10os even 10 9 suited
That being said I don't' know if I could get away from a straight, although I think I would just call the 500.
I' m interested in seeing what happened

Phishfinder2

[StarlightCoast]

Flop: The math of the situation says you did not have the pot odds to make the call on the flop. Cost you 80 and the pot was 180, unless of course you believed whol heartidly that either one of your over cards hitting puts you ahead then the flop call was correct.

Turn: Perfect. No reason to get crazy. Take the free card.

River: All your chips with a pair staring you in the face? No, negative, negatory, nada. Call? Definitely, but the push is only going to be called by a better hand or someone who can't lay trips down. Of course this may be giving villain too much credit and if you did not lose this hand my guess is villain flipped over a 78s

[Adaon]

Every play is exactly what I would of done.

Yes the call is a technical pot odds mistake, in limit facing the same odds you would fold. But you have position on a player that wants to bet the hand (so worth it if you hit), and if they don't the 2 free cards are worth the initial call, also worth it.

On the river a case can definitely be made for just calling. In fact being so early I lean on that being the better play, and then you have chips if they paired. Folding is completely out of the question.

[Holdem Freak]

I think there is two schools of thought on this...... JUSTAGIRL'S 80 bet could be a feeler if she's holding second pair...... or a trapping bet if she's got two pair J 10........ checking the turn is a trap IMO if she had second pair she now has a set if she had two pair she now got a boat. why bet 500 on the river ? the 9 on the river could make someone a straight ( like you ) so a 500 bet will probably be called if not raised if you put her on a set Being early in the game ( i assume ) calling 20 to see the flop is not unreasonable holding J 10os, Q 10os even 10 9 suited
That being said I don't' know if I could get away from a straight, although I think I would just call the 500.
I' m interested in seeing what happened

Phishfinder2
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After knowing what she had I know it was a feeler bet as the 2 J's made her a little nervous. I do agree that it could also have been a trap to see if I would walk right into her plan. I did put her on the set and figured it wasn't costing me anything to see the river so all was good. The only thing that I did have cross my mind was being this early in the game she could have been calling just about anything along with the J if she in fact did have it.

Flop: The math of the situation says you did not have the pot odds to make the call on the flop. Cost you 80 and the pot was 180, unless of course you believed whol heartidly that either one of your over cards hitting puts you ahead then the flop call was correct.

Turn: Perfect. No reason to get crazy. Take the free card.

River: All your chips with a pair staring you in the face? No, negative, negatory, nada. Call? Definitely, but the push is only going to be called by a better hand or someone who can't lay trips down. Of course this may be giving villain too much credit and if you did not lose this hand my guess is villain flipped over a 78s

I was not fully convinced that she had the set, the thought did cross my mind for sure but I initially put her on a weak pair or an Ax. The reason was the limp in, this was about 10-15 hands in and had seen her play other hand where she had 2 pr and a set and she was not betting like she had either.

Every play is exactly what I would of done.

Yes the call is a technical pot odds mistake, in limit facing the same odds you would fold. But you have position on a player that wants to bet the hand (so worth it if you hit), and if they don't the 2 free cards are worth the initial call, also worth it.

On the river a case can definitely be made for just calling. In fact being so early I lean on that being the better play, and then you have chips if they paired. Folding is completely out of the question.

Are you still taking notes on me :D. The one thing with me is I have never been able to properly figure, or understand for that fact, pot odds. Anyone who has ever played me knows that. Had she in fact bet the turn I would have laid the hand down but got the freebie to hit the str8.


I did not save this like I normally would as I was in kind of a hurry but remember what she had no problem (too hard to forget and you will see why). She had AA. The problem is by not raising pre-flop she opened the door for really anything to come into play. I really don't think she could have laid them down. I have played them the same way she did in the past with mixed results. All I can remember saying to myself was A or 9 A or 9 which would give me the str8, now I am glad that the A did not come up.

[Adaon]

Well, for a quick lesson on pot odds...

260 in the pot costing you 80 to call is close to 3-1 pots odss (3*8=24, so you know it's in that ballpark), worse then the odds you will hit the straight on the turn (which is closer to a 5-1 situation).

If you get 2 cards out of the call, then your odds at the straight move a lot closer to 2.5/2-1 and it would be a good call if you knew it was getting you 2 cards.

If you hit the straight and they again bet out about half the pot, lets say 150, now the pot will have 410 in it, but for only 80 that you had to call on the flop 5-1, and probably more on the river.

Against that same turn bet when you miss, you have to fold, but you still got exactly the same odds as when you made it, 5-1 (implied), ergo the call was correct.

It's one of the advantages of having position, you can make plays like this :)

[PokerRef]

The only problem I have with your play is the re-raise of the JUSTAGIRL123, 500 chip bet on the river. You don't have the nuts in a tourney that just started against players you don't know. Just call the raise. I know you won and picked up some extra chips, but if she turns over a boat your gone. Those extra chips you won mean little at that point, and her all-in re-raise was foolish as you had too many chips in the pot not to make the call. Sorry but both of you played it bad IMO.

[Raise, Ha!]

Given peoples perpensity to play the biggest cards your calling with KQ suited is absolutely consistent with how I'd play it too. Calling the bet of 80 also was a standard play however, check check after the turn isn't a typical expectation in a lower limit buy in game. At this point I'd be wondering whats up and proceed cautiously.To me the bet of 500 by her suggests she either caught the same thing you did or was slowplaying a made full house hoping something to improve your hand would draw you in for the value bet.

This early in the tourney (I'm assuming it's tourney play) I'd have called the bet expecting to see either a hand that matches yours or (hoping) a set made her giddy. The fact that a full house possibility exists dictates just a call, the re-raise was too much.

[Yoda]

[6s Jd Th Ts] [9d]
*** FLOP *** [6s Jd Th]
maggies08: folds
dredger99: checks
greenfalcon8: folds
JUSTAGIRL123: bets 80
chrisdaman77: calls 80
dredger99: folds
*** TURN *** [6s Jd Th] [Ts]
JUSTAGIRL123: checks
chrisdaman77: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s Jd Th Ts] [9d]
JUSTAGIRL123: bets 500
chrisdaman77: raises 500 to 1000
JUSTAGIRL123: raises 400 to 1400 and is all-in
chrisdaman77: calls 400 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***


any limped pot im always weary of , coming in with KQCC if fine imo.

when the flop comes out [6s Jd Th]
you now have an open ended draw and 2 overs on the board. I kinda like this situation for myself. 14 outs to improve the hand.the 8 from the open ended(A,9) and the 3 other Q's and 3 other K's.
Im only gonna call the raisei n hope of hitting my draw.

I see that this was definitly early in the sng or tourney wuth the chip stacks too, meaning yuo probably dont have a good read on this player yet. With a limped pot, im always weary of sets or crazy 2 pair from the blinds, who could have anything.
With that in mind, the turn of a 10 would really make me weary. could easily have boated here or triped up, betting the second pair.
I agree with the check on the turn, where betting doenst much good.

When the 9 hits on the river and u hit your straight, Im feeling pretty good about the hand. When Hero comes out and bets 500, alarms are going off. Did he slow play his set, which turned into a boat? Kinda what I think happened here. What I would do if I dont put him on the set , which turned into a boat is fold here, but i think its hard to put on that,,,maybe he had a 10 to have trips, where my straight is good. Not knowing this, and it being early on the tourney, I think i would just call the river bet and pray he didnt boat up. Im not reraising at this point in the tourney...I dont need to get greedy with the hand. If i lose,,i still have about 900 chips to work with. I dont liek reraising on a paired board where my tourney life is in danger in a limped pot.

Im probably losing the 500 in this hand to what I assume will be a boat to hero

[Kat]

The flop call is fine IMO. Pot odds are thin but big-bet poker is about implied odds. I'm always pulling to the nuts here unless someone shoves on me. I wouldn't raise the end tho.