For Kat

[Misty]

Am I mistaken or did you say last night, it makes no sense to pre-flop raise in omaha h/l?

if you have AA2K and there are 5 limpers and you're in late position? Wouldn't it make sense to raise?

[Misty]

Also...would you mind commenting on this hand?

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PokerStars Game #31063570267: Tournament #183424723, $3.00+$0.40 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2009/07/30 18:20:04 ET
Table '183424723 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 1ScArFaCe87 (7686 in chips)
Seat 2: blueangel84 (6430 in chips)
Seat 3: dziendobry10 (987 in chips)
Seat 4: boerschop (1192 in chips)
Seat 5: SLIMINGTON (2510 in chips)
Seat 6: a2kat (2565 in chips)
Seat 7: tcweiser (2300 in chips)
Seat 8: Mi§T¥ ߣuë (1290 in chips)
Seat 9: sirantus (2040 in chips)
dziendobry10: posts small blind 50
boerschop: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mi§T¥ ߣuë [3h Ac Ad 7h] making good use of all 4 cards, that's good right? someone at another thread gave the tip to make sure all 4 cards connect...is this what is meant or does he mean something more along the lines of let's say A346 or A245?

SLIMINGTON: calls 100
a2kat: folds
tcweiser: folds
Mi§T¥ ߣuë: raises 300 to 400
sirantus: folds
1ScArFaCe87: folds
blueangel84: folds
dziendobry10: calls 350
boerschop: calls 300
SLIMINGTON: raises 1600 to 2000
Mi§T¥ ߣuë: calls 890 and is all-in
dziendobry10: calls 587 and is all-in
boerschop: calls 792 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (710) returned to SLIMINGTON
*** FLOP *** [9d 8c 2c]
*** TURN *** [9d 8c 2c] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [9d 8c 2c 5c] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SLIMINGTON: shows [6d Jh Jc As] (HI: three of a kind, Jacks; LO: 8,6,5,2,A)
Mi§T¥ ߣuë: shows [3h Ac Ad 7h] (HI: a pair of Aces; LO: 8,5,3,2,A)
SLIMINGTON collected 98 from side pot-2
Mi§T¥ ߣuë collected 98 from side pot-2
boerschop: shows [Tc 5s Ah 3d] (HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,5,3,2,A)
SLIMINGTON collected 308 from side pot-1
boerschop collected 154 from side pot-1
Mi§T¥ ߣuë collected 153 from side pot-1
dziendobry10: shows [Qd 3c Th Kh] (HI: a straight, Eight to Queen)
dziendobry10 collected 1974 from main pot
boerschop collected 987 from main pot
Mi§T¥ ߣuë collected 987 from main pot

[Kat]

Am I mistaken or did you say last night, it makes no sense to pre-flop raise in omaha h/l?

if you have AA2K and there are 5 limpers and you're in late position? Wouldn't it make sense to raise?

Ah good point. Yeah if people are already in the pot then you're happy to charge them another bet if you've got a monster. And in fact in PLO8 it sometimes correct to raise purely positionally when you're in late position. The thing you don't wanna do is raise from up front with a hand like A234 because you want plenty of customers with a hand like that. And you'd like to find out cheaply if the flop is KQJ.

[Kat]

As to your AA37 hand, obv you'd be happier if the 7 was a non-3 wheel, but yeah that is a big hand. In PLO8 in particular any GOOD AA hand is more powerful than limit because it plays well HU and with the bigger bets you can often get HU with it. You raise less than the max here (not that it would make a diff, but...) whereas I'd just slam the slidey thing all the way to the right. If you just take it down there you've added 20% to your stack which is great given your stack/blinds. Either way I'm trying to get AIPF with that.

Incidentally with a A235 type hand I'd just call behind there and hope to hit the flop.

[Misty]

I knew there was a good reason why I preferred PL08 rather than limit, I actually dislike all limit games.

TY :)

[Kat]

I knew there was a good reason why I preferred PL08 rather than limit, I actually dislike all limit games.

TY :)

PL is way more aggressive than limit. It melds better with some people's natural instincts.

[Yoda]

Would think limit is the tougher game in long run

[Kat]

Would think limit is the tougher game in long run

My feeling is that a small skill advantage in PLO8 translates into bigger profits. But there really is something to this idea that some people are psychologically better suited to some forms and structures than others. E.g., if you Tilt easily don't play razz and O8.