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StarlightCoast
05-09-2009, 01:25 AM
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars (http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-PokerStars.php#converter) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, [color=#666666][i]Hero????


Pot odds of 9:1!!! But what do you do? Flopping top pair is reasonably not a consideration, and we are getting the odds to flop a flush draw, but with two suited cards it is 14.6:1 that I will hit a flush by the river.

This type of hand also has straight possibilitities, but unless you flop a straight outright your looking at a gutshot draw at best. But so much money in the pot and with what has transpired preflop, even if i do get a draw, chances are it's going to cost me a few bucks to chase it down. So what is the general consensus? Too much in the pot to let it go, or too much oncoming foolishness to try something with a 37s?

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Adaon
05-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Fold, it's not as good as it looks. You are certainly facing another bet regardless of the flop, with you out of position.

Also, best case you are getting closer to 5-1 to see that flop, if the original 2 don't fold if one of them does your price is even worse.

Trips is about the only safe flop you can hit. Even if you get the flush it's on the hope that no one gets a better one.

Make it 76 do give you some straights outs and that's a different story.

ooze
05-22-2009, 08:18 PM
Did the SB also call, you're assuming the two players to act will call behind you, and you're rounding up? This is the only way I can see this being anywhere neat 9.1 Regardless, easy fold. It looks like you found yourself a nice loose game, so look for some better opportunities.

Adaon
05-23-2009, 03:35 PM
I'd like to amend my answer to include 2 other important things:

1)the rake, that 5-1 probably drops down to 4-1 on most sights once the rake is put in to play.
2)reverse implied odds. At least half the flops are going to see you paying off one or more bets to keep playing because of how "great" the pot odds are, at that point you will be facing 10-1 odds or better that do force you to making the call. Knowing this, you have to factor it in, probably an average of one bet.

Now your pot odds are down to 2-1 (4-2). And still on the hope in that hand no one will make a bigger flush, a tall order.

Sick Fish
05-23-2009, 05:07 PM
Simple, I Fold.
Bad starting hand followed by bad position.

StarlightCoast
05-23-2009, 08:05 PM
The Outcome:




PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars (http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-PokerStars.php#converter) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif
UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 2 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero Folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls

Flop: (21.5 SB) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif (5 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Button raises, UTG 3-bets, 1 fold, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls


Someone direct me to the nearest tall building so i can leap off the top!!!


Turn: (16.75 BB) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls

River: (20.75 BB) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold

Total pot: $23.75 (23.75 BB) | Rake: $0.50

Results:
UTG had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif (one pair, Aces).
MP2 mucked Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/spade.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Kings).
MP3 mucked Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: UTG won $23.25






Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

Sick Fish
05-26-2009, 12:57 PM
That sucks, but look at the three hands you were up against.
Fold was still the correct play.